RE: Proposals
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From: <Wim.Brouw_at_email.protected>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:27:47 +1100
Tara,
I understand this could be part of the discussion at the JBO meeting on
1-3 March of Radionet computing.
I have seen a simple proposal submission tools that was 'written for
RadioNet'.
Would be good if AU people who go (Vince?) know about actual
plans/wishes of Australia.
Groeten
Wim
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ivo_at_atnf.csiro.au
>[mailto:owner-ivo_at_atnf.csiro.au] On Behalf Of Murphy, Tara
>(ATNF, Marsfield)
>Sent: Friday, 21 January 2005 01:02
>To: ivo_at_atnf.csiro.au
>Cc: Chapman, Jessica (ATNF, Marsfield)
>Subject: FW: Proposals
>
>
>Hi,
>This discussion about proposal systems for radio astronomy
>(on radiovo) might be of interested to some Aus-VO people.
>
>Tara
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-radiovo_at_eso.org [mailto:owner-radiovo_at_eso.org] On
>Behalf Of Anita Richards
>Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2005 9:26 PM
>To: radiovo_at_ivoa.net
>Subject: Proposals
>
>
>
>(also sent to interop so apologies to anyone who gets this twice)
>
>If we are looking at use-case driven priorities for
>standards, then something else which has come up in RadioNet
>is Proposal Tools.
>
>Reps from European radio observatories and ALMA have had
>discussions about designing as homogenous as possible an
>interface for users making web-based observing proposals. I
>know that something similar is going on with US radio (at
>least) observatories, and as the common link is ALMA there is
>some hope of overall coherence....
>
>We did identify the need to establish a common model (not for
>small details, just to simplify terminology etc.). The
>drivers for this are
>a) Allow software to be shared (as proposal tools use
>exposure calculators
>etc.)
>b) Reduce the learning curve for users
>c) Make it easier to make multi-telescope proposals
>
>There is also the wish to use VO facilities to search for
>calibration sources etc. and invesigate what is known already
>about the region of interest. More widely, the concept
>includes all kinds of proposals including for supercomputing
>facilities and potentially for very demanding VO projects!
>
>At present we don't envisage proposal tools integrated into
>VO interfaces nor that a search for X would produce a
>response 'no data yet but you could propose an observation
>with IRAM, deadline 99th of Thermidor' (although projects
>like ESTAR are moving in this direction), but to employ a VO
>approach to standards and to link to VO facilities (e.g. cone search).
>
>I am probably not going to Kyoto and I don't know if it is
>worth a special session, but if anyone else is interested we
>can set up a forum.
>
>cheers
>a
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>- Dr. Anita M. S. Richards, AstroGrid Astronomer MERLIN/VLBI
>National Facility, University of Manchester, Jodrell Bank
>Observatory, Macclesfield, Cheshire SK11 9DL, U.K. tel +44
>(0)1477 572683 (direct); 571321 (switchboard); 571618 (fax).
>
Received on 2005-02-24 23:28:16
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:27:47 +1100
Tara,
I understand this could be part of the discussion at the JBO meeting on
1-3 March of Radionet computing.
I have seen a simple proposal submission tools that was 'written for
RadioNet'.
Would be good if AU people who go (Vince?) know about actual
plans/wishes of Australia.
Groeten
Wim
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ivo_at_atnf.csiro.au
>[mailto:owner-ivo_at_atnf.csiro.au] On Behalf Of Murphy, Tara
>(ATNF, Marsfield)
>Sent: Friday, 21 January 2005 01:02
>To: ivo_at_atnf.csiro.au
>Cc: Chapman, Jessica (ATNF, Marsfield)
>Subject: FW: Proposals
>
>
>Hi,
>This discussion about proposal systems for radio astronomy
>(on radiovo) might be of interested to some Aus-VO people.
>
>Tara
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-radiovo_at_eso.org [mailto:owner-radiovo_at_eso.org] On
>Behalf Of Anita Richards
>Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2005 9:26 PM
>To: radiovo_at_ivoa.net
>Subject: Proposals
>
>
>
>(also sent to interop so apologies to anyone who gets this twice)
>
>If we are looking at use-case driven priorities for
>standards, then something else which has come up in RadioNet
>is Proposal Tools.
>
>Reps from European radio observatories and ALMA have had
>discussions about designing as homogenous as possible an
>interface for users making web-based observing proposals. I
>know that something similar is going on with US radio (at
>least) observatories, and as the common link is ALMA there is
>some hope of overall coherence....
>
>We did identify the need to establish a common model (not for
>small details, just to simplify terminology etc.). The
>drivers for this are
>a) Allow software to be shared (as proposal tools use
>exposure calculators
>etc.)
>b) Reduce the learning curve for users
>c) Make it easier to make multi-telescope proposals
>
>There is also the wish to use VO facilities to search for
>calibration sources etc. and invesigate what is known already
>about the region of interest. More widely, the concept
>includes all kinds of proposals including for supercomputing
>facilities and potentially for very demanding VO projects!
>
>At present we don't envisage proposal tools integrated into
>VO interfaces nor that a search for X would produce a
>response 'no data yet but you could propose an observation
>with IRAM, deadline 99th of Thermidor' (although projects
>like ESTAR are moving in this direction), but to employ a VO
>approach to standards and to link to VO facilities (e.g. cone search).
>
>I am probably not going to Kyoto and I don't know if it is
>worth a special session, but if anyone else is interested we
>can set up a forum.
>
>cheers
>a
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>- Dr. Anita M. S. Richards, AstroGrid Astronomer MERLIN/VLBI
>National Facility, University of Manchester, Jodrell Bank
>Observatory, Macclesfield, Cheshire SK11 9DL, U.K. tel +44
>(0)1477 572683 (direct); 571321 (switchboard); 571618 (fax).
>
Received on 2005-02-24 23:28:16