Zeta Reticuli, a dim binary system of Sun-like stars only 39.5 light years away in the little constellation of Reticulum is strangely well-known. Why is it so famous? This system was once identified as the home of the little grey-faced and black-eyed humanoids who allegedly abducted Barney and Betty Hill and ever since has appeared in popular culture as the quintessential location of extraterrestrial mystery. What do we really know about these stars?
Reticulum (literally “the net” but used in the sense of an archaic form of eyepiece reticule) is a constellation of the southern hemispheres sky (we cannot see it from Northern Ireland). Diamond-shaped, the constellation lacks bright stars and is apparently an unimpressive sight. Only just visible to the unaided eye, Zeta Reticuli was first referred to as such in 1756. Can I just repeat that Zeta Reticuli has been seen in the sky without a telescope for centuries. Anyone who tells you it was not discovered until after the Hills story became famous is utterly wrong. The whole identification of this system as a homeworld to ufonauts is based on the thorough and painstaking work of Marjorie Fish, which is now believed to be incorrect being based on out-dated data on star positions.
Through a telescope Zeta Reticuli can be clearly seen to be two stars (you can do this without a telescope if the sky is dark enough). The two stars are both very similar in mass, diameter, temperature and brightness to our own Sun (Zeta 1, a G3 class star, is slightly smaller, cooler and more orange than the Sun, while Zeta 2 is G2 class, almost identical to the Sun). They orbit a common centre of mass approximately midway between them and are separated by at least 3750 AU (about 0.06 light years). By the standards set by objects in our own Solar System, this is a huge distance; about a hundred times as far as Pluto is on average from the Sun. A beam of light from one of the stars would take three weeks to reach its companion.
This is great enough a separation for each star in the duo to have its own planetary system. Unlike some other binary systems where the stars are closer, the skies of any Reticulan planet would not feature two suns. From the planets of one star, the other star would be a brilliantly bright star about 30 times as bright as Venus looks in Earths sky and would be visible even in the daytime sky. Each star could have its own habitable zone (or Goldilocks zone, a region where there is enough warmth from a star to allow water to persist as a liquid on the surface of a planet). Another myth about the Zeta Reticuli system I have encountered states that emissions from the two stars contribute to a dangerous level of background radiation in their vicinity. The two stars are too far apart for this and this idea seems to have been dreamed up by the perpetrators of the staggeringly inept Project SERPO hoax.
What are the prospects for life in this star system? Both stars are similar to the Sun and if they have suitable planets it is not impossible that life has arisen there. Older sources claim these stars to be relatively old (6-8 billion years old is often quoted) but more recent evidence acquired by analysing the stars light with spectroscopes suggests these are young stars, possibly only two billion years old (compared to our own Suns 4.5 billion year age). Their youth may count against the possibly of higher forms of life existing on Zeta Reticulan worlds. After all there has been life on Earth for most of the planets existence, for most of this time terrestrial life has been single-celled micro-organisms, whereas multicellular life, plants and animals and so on, appeared only in the last 600 million years. If the story of life on Earth is typical (and who knows for sure), I would not bet on there being any little grey men, or indeed ladies, on any Zeta Reticulan planets. I should note that there is some controversy over these stars’ ages, see the comments section if you want to know more.
The stars’ similarity to our own has prompted astronomers to search for planets there, but no planets have yet been discovered around either star. There has been a false alarm though. In 1996 astronomers at the European Southern Observatory announced that they had observed evidence of a giant planet around Zeta 2. The planet appeared to be tugging on the star causing it to make slight rhythmic movements, suggesting the planet had a mass about a quarter that of Jupiter and was moving in a close orbit (0.14 AU) with a period of 18.9 days. This would have been an example of what astronomers call a ‘hot Jupiter’ and would be a hopeless prospect for any kind of life. Within days, however, this discovery announcement was retracted as it was recognised that the wobbles in the stars motion could also be just the stars slight but regular pulsations. Of course UFO true believers still tell the story of the scientists who reported a planet at Zeta Reticulum but the government made them cover it up. To the best of my knowledge, the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) has never looked at this system. Why? Well, its not a conspiracy, rather there is no point as the HST could not resolve any planets at this distance, this is something it was not designed to do.
In 2010, another team of astronomers announced that far-infrared wavelength observations with ESAs Herschel space telescope showed a ring of cold dust and ice about 100 AU across around Zeta 2 Reticuli. Almost certainly there are comet nuclei and dwarf planets, analogues of our Pluto, Eris, Makemake and Haumea, in this ring. This debris disc is not symmetrical, a possible indication that the material is being gravitationally effected by an unseen planetary companion. To be honest, based on the distribution of exoplanets in the Milky Way it would be very surprising if in fact there were no planets in the Zeta Reticulum system. However as our methods for finding exoplanets are still pretty limited it may be a long time before we know for sure.
Until we actually discover any Zeta Reticulan planets the best we can do is watch out for them in science fiction. “Reticulans” were name-checked in the X-Files and appeared on screen as “Chigs” in Space: Above and Beyond. By far and away the best-known fictional world in the vicinity of the Zeta 2 Reticuli system is LV-426 (also called Acheron) from the Alien movies and related works. On this world humans first encountered the awful acid-blooded, drooling horrors sometimes called Xenomorphs (yes, I am deliberately ignoring the Aliens vs Predator movies and I advise you to do the same). LV-426, which went unnamed in the first film, is a tiny rocky world, apparently one of several satellites of a gas giant planet. Originally, its tortured landscape was overlaid by a cold but violently stormy atmosphere of nitrogen with methane, carbon dioxide and ammonia but by its second appearance in Aliens it had been terraformed to give it an atmosphere and climate compatible with human life. The moon was apparently devoid of native life; Xenomorph eggs were found there in a derelict starship belonging to some other enigmatic alien civilisation (I also prefer to pretend Prometheus never happened).
LV-426 is completely fictitious and not based on any speculation by scientists, nor is the “LV-” numbering scheme used for planets (also in Prometheus) a real piece of scientific methodology. Dan OBannon (1946-2009), who wrote the original story for Alien probably used the name Zeta Reticuli after seeing it in an article about the Hill UFO account.
Zeta Reticuli is an interesting nearby binary star system, but the evidence suggests it is not the home of extraterrestrial visitors to our world.
(Article by Colin Johnston, Science Communicator. This article was inspired by a conversation I had with a caller to the Planetarium last week, I hope he is reading this.)
Hi Colin,
A very good article, and I completely agree with you about the fictionality of the Little Grey Men.
But if the stars in the Zeta Reticuli system are almost identical in spectrum and mass to the Sun, they would be in the same position on the Main Sequence on the H-R Diagram, so how could they be only half the age of our Sun? I could accept a smallish difference in age – maybe 20% younger; but how could they be only half the age of the Sun?
Terry
Dear Terry, thanks for your kind words. To be honest there is more I could have said about this system, these stars are actually slightly anomalous, in that they are not exactly placed on the HR-diagram where you would expect. They must be young as they are comparatively deficient in “metals” and their ages are estimated from observations of the Ca ii line in their spectra which suggests they have been on the Main Sequence two billion years or less. However their luminosities are less than you’d expect for stars of this age. See this paper.
Just going back to your question, if you could look at our Sun two billion years ago, wouldn’t it be more or less in the same location on the HR diagram as it is now? As far as I know back then the Sun’s surface temperature was slightly less than it is today but its luminousity was roughly 85% what it is today (I wasn’t about then so I’m using data from here). To me that suggests the Sun back then would lie a bit lower on the main sequence than it does now, but I would have thought it would still be a G2.
Adding to the confusion, their proper motion suggests they belong to the Zeta Herculis Moving Group, a set of nine or so star systems moving with the same velocity, and the ages of stars in this group are estimated to be 6-8 billion years (I assume this is where the older ages sometimes quoted come from). So there are some mysteries about Zeta Reticuli, but they’re a bit trickier than whether or not there are little grey men living there!
Oh fiddlesticks Colin! Why did you have to rain on our American parade by making fun of Project Serpo and the Hill incident! Have you not seen “close encounters of the third kind?” I bet you don’t believe in the aliens at area 51 either.
Kidding aside, great article. I live in Florida, U.S.A. Can I see these stars? I am surprised that the Kepler telescope was never used on these stars. Seems like they would check the closest stars first. I guess now its too late since Keplers gears are apparently no longer working correctly.
I don’t think Reticulum can be seen from Florida, it’s visible at latitudes between +23 and -90 I think your location is too far north.
Randall-
Kepler never could see these stars. It was designed to point and monitor the same patch of sky continuously in Cygnus. Unlike the gravitational perturbation methodology it detects them directly when they pass across the face of their sun.
The advantage of always pointing in the same direction is that you catch the rarer events and verify the planets’ existence through multiple transit detections.
While both stars are fairly close analogs of the Sun they are not the same.
A G2 V star of solar mass will only occupy the same position as the Sun in the H-R diagram if the chemical makeup is similar. Zet Ret is deficient in metals – everything except hydrogen and helium – relative to the Sun. All other things being equal lower metallicity = lower luminosity-hence the position of Zet Ret “below ” the Sun on the H-R diagram
The low metallicity of Zet Ret also implies that they are older than the 2 billion years indicated in Ca II chromospheric studies . The space velocity of these stars implies membership in the Zet Her moving group which moves appreciably above the galaxy’s disk-also consistent with older stellar age.
I know this site is not about stellar evolution but there are a couple of questions here in the comments section that this may help answer.
Thanks for your input David.
Zeta-Reticuli (z/10 6th E,2 sm=5.1Ber/r-7m-hz/1gg), basically this was given to me as a guide of their mathematical language is much the same as ours. As someone who has seen a grey alien , my correspondence with the grey was this, their planet has run out of food and as we continue to add up how many people have gone missing is really the numbers that they took. At any rate ,they are here to negotiate our terms for surrender .
As for the formula , z=zeta/10 to the 6th power -E=energy 2=two stars-5.1billion earth rotations (a solar Earth year), r=Reticuli has 7 earth-like planets with1gas giant in its star system .
Dear Steven, thank you for your comments, but where is your evidence?
the universe is to vast for any one to judge and say there is no other life any where or humans are the only intelligent life in any given solar system
Denying the existence of extra-terrestrials is illogical, given the large amount of corroborated evidence. (Please, don’t waste your time debunking – I have never met a debunker that has had a worthwhile argument, or any evidence, and they are clearly the LEAST informed among us).
As a scientist, empirical data is the golden ticket, and granted, due to the covert government’s efforts, they have been able to convince many of you that ET’s are somehow unworthy of serious study. Only close-minded non-scientists, or disinfo agents, should have such an untenable position. When you spend the time, as I have, to do the research, and consider the weight of the statistical evidence (and of course, it doesn’t hurt that my father worked on Apollo and I’ve spoken with astronauts, who tell a different story in private) AND I have seen a real ET vehicle – witnessed, no less, then I can CONFIDENTLY claim that ET’s are here, they are not grey – their ‘clothing’ is, and the US is definitely covering up the greatest secret in history, which should be an affront to every American who funds their damn black ops!
Warren gives tantalizing hints that he knows more than we do, but doesn’t reveal all he knows. He claims to have seen a real ET craft, but tells us no more. Then he tells us of the great coverup, but again, refuses to provide details. Is this because he is “spinning a yarn” and hesitates to provide any details that might not be verifiable? One would think that this is his opportunity to let the rest of us in on the big secret, and blow the coverup wide open. Or, at least, he could tell us the shape of the ET craft and its approximate dimensions.
No, Warren choses to keep his knowledge to himself. At least he doesn’t encourage us to “study it out!” Maybe some day, he’ll tell what he knows, but for now, he chooses to remain silent…except for a few tantalizing hints that he knows more than we mere mortals do.
I want to hear all your stories!
Sorry War, I have to agree with AA here. “Where’s the fact(s) JACK??” While we’ve all heard stories of astronauts knowing more than they tell (ostensibly having taken the same ‘oath’ we here from the military, telescope operators, et.al.) cough up what you’ve heard – give us a chance to verify/debunk to our deepest pleasures. Merely spitting out ‘yarns’, for that’s all they are without citations, we can only draw the same conclusions as AA. Agreed, too many motes of dust floating out ‘here’ to conclude only ours is ‘special’. But what’s our place in the never-ending-march-of-motes? Thanks for any additional info you provide.
Yes its true that denying the ET existence is very illogical.
It all started last year when i experienced some weird things happen to me.
I have watch some videos in the net such as expose and revelations most of them were hoax, but some of them i believe its very true..
Why do the government cover up all of it? Simply because it will destroy the balance and it will bring CHAOS. Imagine people will be confused specially with there beliefs, people might feel that they were fooled since the day that they are all aware in there surroundings.
Hoping that the day will come that all of it will be declassified or some person will show clear evidences.. This may lead first to “CHAOS” but it will bring “UNITY” for all human races.
The Grey are REAL!
(Edited to remove rudeness, please do not insult people because you disagree with them. Prove them wrong with evidence if it exists. ADMIN)
I AM AMAZED. THE SKY REMAINS STILL A MYSTERY.
As well as the sea….
Marjorie Fish died couple of months ago–her obituary says that she renounced her own Zeta Reticuli theory based upon new information — felt that the correlation was unlikely.
Sorry to hear about Majorie Fish’s passing, but thank you for letting me know.
Have you a link to the obituary? I will update this and the Hill map posts accordingly.
Yes i do-you can contact me at e-mail address if this doesn’t appear properly
Click here: Marjorie Eleanor Fish Obituary: View Marjorie Fish’s Obituary by News Herald
Steve
Thanks Steve, I’ve added a link.
I believe there is some type of life in this place in the universe due to the fact that 9 UFO given to the us a long tone ago contained a specific ship called a sports model was found containing element or material 115 a material that bends the fabric of space and time to
Get places light years away very quickly and that element is believed to be in that system of the universe and also some type of language found on the ship was only seen wen ship. Was energized and nobody has ever seen the symbols before and as for the small part the so called controls of this craft had seats and space to small to contain a fully
Grown adult
I suspect you may have fallen for a hoax here, look up the strange claims of Bob Lazar.
He was talking about Bob Lazar.
Bob Lazar told the truth.
(Edited to remove rudeness, please do not insult people because you disagree with them. Please provide evidence to prove your case. ADMIN)
Oh and not to mention the stars are spaced. Apart right that they could each contain a sola solar system capable of containing a Goldilocks zone or planets in just the right spot in the universe to not be to hot or cold to contain life witch leads to the possibility that there could be life in this spot in the universe and possibly advanced life with the possibility to b more advanced than us now y’all all just got told by a 13 year old
And ya can’t go against the facts and for christans like me God said “I have others in greener pastures”
Please don’t bring religion in to the discussion. This is an intelligent article; religion and intelligence have nothing to do with one another and should be left apart.
Dear Tree Man, thank you for your comment- which has been extensively edited. Please avoid using such an aggressive tone if you wish to continue contributing here.
Acually, You have not made the connection with the 2 thus has no relation to YOU. But as a scientist they go hand in hand, to say different is to state the world is flat again.
Caleb, I’m sorry but I’m not sure what your point is.
Thanks for a rational article about a very interesting star system. I can’t help but wonder that if we were in such a system would it be possible to actually explore the neighboring star system. While 22 light days (.06 light years) is still a very long distance it is not beyond reason we could get there. Thanks again!
Thanks for your kind words, I enjoyed writing this. Just to follow up your comment, the two stars are still a huge distance apart. In terms, they are separated by 3750 AU, note that in nearly 40 years Voyager 1 has traveled about 125 AU! Even with astonishingly advanced technology (fusion rockets? anti-matter rockets?) journeying between the stars in the Zeta Reticuli system would be a big deal. Say there was a spacecraft capable of accelerating at 1g continuously that leaves one of the stars with its engine running all the time (unbelievably unrealistic), then half way there flips over and decelerates until it stops at the other star. It will still take about 55 days for the trip!
If the story of Barney and Betty is true I find it unlikely they would tell them where they were actualy from,if so maybe this was just a cover up from there point of view?
I’m not sure I agree. If the aliens had existed and wanted to keep their home star system secret they could have just kept quiet.
Why would they want to keep it secret anyway? It’s not like we’ve the ability to follow them back there.
Zeta Reticuli is so shrouded in mystery/hoaxes that its hard for ordinary folks like us to separate the truth from lies. Thanks for a practical view of the system Admin.
Thank you, that’s what I was aiming for.
Interesting article indeed. It’s always enlightnight (to say the least) when we view the mysteries of the heavens beyond us with rational eyes. My personal question to you Mr. Admin is; do YOU believe that by any chance there is intelligent E.T life out there in the universe?
The short answer is I just don’t know. You can read a little more in the post 50 Years of SETI: where are the aliens?
Nice article admin, it was very informative. Now about SETI; doesn’t it just detect radio waves? What if the ETs don’t use radio waves for communication? Maybe that’s why we haven’t heard anything in 50 years?
Hi, yes that is a good point. Perhaps there are thousands of civilisations out there chatting away on tachyon phones, and as soon as we invent the tachyon phone we’ll be able to join in!
SETI theorists assume that extraterrestrial civilisations trying to reach out to less advanced folk like us will use “dumbed down” technology like radio to get our attention.
Those SETI scientists need to come up with another theory because it’s been 50 years and nada… Well There was one occasion when they picked up something but they never heard it again. I think a better way of trying to communicate in a universe so big is by using light… If only we could generate some type of light that can travel light years away… And if there are any real smart ETs out there, they will track the source.
Shocked by this,read the story about the abduction of Betty,that puts a mind to me,Aliens might really be the ones who introduce us to Earth,or maybe not….but why are they popping there and there not wanting to be witnessed…guess there’s lot more questions without answers,we need to do something about this,improve our tech more…and again,there is still more questions that need answers
Zeta Reticuli was brought in lime-light by Area 51 scientist Bob Lazar on his revelation of S4 facility. He also brought the real truth behind Area 51 to the world.
I just don’t understand why in-spite of acceptance from every world leader about existence of an Alien species, the Govt. of United states insists on covering it up.
If they were hostile enough, by now they would have made sure of our termination, now that we live it’s for sure they are not. So why such hush-hush?
I thought it was Zeta Reticuli, but I was mistaken.
Elizabeth Klarer reported that her trip to the planet “Meton”, one of the planets circum-navigating Proxima Centauri, took a mere hour and forty minutes. From what has emerged out of Area 51, Dr. Stephen Greer’s “Disclosure”s, and sundry other “derided-by-the-estabolishment” [sic, but stet] sources, the alien ability to bend space-time would appear to be possible, even if not real in the beliefs of scientism.
There is NO proof that aliens have Ever visited this planet! Bob Lazar has made a tidy profit from his story so I would not give it much credibility. As much as I would love to believe that we live in a Star Trek or Star Wars universe the evidence sees to indicate otherwise. Enrico Fermi was correct when he asked “Where are the aliens”
Frank, you know nothing – have you ever spoken to Bob? You clearly do not want to admit the ET reality, but stop speaking like you KNOW – your words indicate otherwise.
with the discovery of element 115 im intrigued. im in no way a believer that aliens have been here, i think if i had an alien body in front of me i still wouldnt believe it. that being said, for the sake of fun, i want to point out the just because the stars are young doesnt mean life is not there. maybe the “grey men” didnt originate there, if they made it to earth its easy to assume theyve been planet hopping for a while. life could still be there, just not native.
Hello,
Nice and interesting articel.
Yeah sience. From a rational AND spiritual point of view with the background of own experience(whats more worthy than everything else, cause even when no one’s believing you or you can’t prove it(at this point of science), no one can ever take that away from you)
So we can’t use our earth as a standart for life when we look for example to the zeta system. Even when those suns much younger is than ours, on our planet, it take a long time to this point, even with an astroid crashing on earth killing everything on the surface.
Lets imagine some of these dinosaurs, some raptors were hiding in caves, not much, maybe 100 or more. Lets say some other species did the same.
They could live end evolved until today without any human ever knowing it.(what would be wrong, cause many ancient cultures speak of reptilian “gods”.
So these evolved reptilians would have been survived til now.
On another planet, evolution could have been faster, much faster.
Lets say we were really slow.
Under these aspects intelligent life could be there and even older than humans.
These species could have and still visiting us here on earth.
Why is government makin a secret out of it and hunting them down maybe?
If the aliens really go public, maybe the zetas, thar could crash in the power system of goverments and world economy. Both would crash and burn, what would be actually a good thing.
We could learn from them to become a civilised and intelligent species, learn to live without money, without destroying our own planet and stop these insane suicide commando call economic grow.
I describe the human race now still as a high primitive lifeform and not intelligent.
Intelligent species such as delphines would be likely more interessting for aliens than the human race. We are interesting because we think that we are more than we are and stupid enough to damage our lifespace to, thats the insane thing, increase life comfort.
By the way on youtube you can find a speech of the canadian ex defense minister talking about 4 known alien species on earth.
Good article, and very informative, BUT until you can offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt (such as pictures or video) of this system, close up, and you can ultimatley prove that it’s not inhabited by the “grey’s”, I will continue to lean towards believing the Betty & Barney Hill testimony. Their story offers more proof that the “grey’s” come from this system, and that this system is in fact, inhabited. Again, if you can prove to me that this system is uninhabited, I’ll buy your opinion. Think outside of the box a bit and open up your mind. Don’t just believe what others tell you is “true”. Most of the “truth” taught by mainstream education, is in fact, just theory at best.
There is as yet no evidence that there are even any worlds in the Zeta Reticuli system to be inhabited, much less that there are inhabited worlds. That is a simple fact, not “just theory at best.”
You are, of course, free to believe whatever you like, despite the lack of anything remotely resembling evidence to support it, but don’t be surprised when few take you seriously.
John, do you mean the study of exoplanets by observing a star, and measuring the period of the change in light intensity which results from orbiting planets passing in front of the star (and a spectrographic analysis shows which elements are likely present) can now determine if these said exoplanets are inhabited? Curious – I didn’t think even the James Webb space telescope (which hasn’t launched yet) can do that.
Dear Admin,
would the James WEBB Telescope will show the truth behind the Zeta 2 Reticuli system ? as they are advertising this Telescope to be launched on 2018, please comment on this ??
Many thanks,
Asif Ali
Karachi – Pakistan
Dear Asif, as launched the Webb Telescope is not optimised for observing planets around other stars, being intended for infrared astronomy and deep-space cosmology work, but it could be modified to do so.If we knew for sure that there are planets in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system, the Webb Telescope might be able to resolve them if it was upgraded with a ‘starshade‘ . According to this Space.com piece it could then resolve planets 10-20 parsecs, that is 32-65 light years, away. Observation would be limited to determining some atmospheric constituents, including biomarkers like oxygen and methane, and some information on the surface features.
I hope this helps you.
J rod 1,2 Were from Zeta reticuli=> Binary systems Check it Out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7mVTcd7e4
That’s a really, really unimpressive video, both technically (ten minutes of text and still images set to silence with a little music at the end) and in terms of content.
Is the drawing of the alien near the start not just a tracing of a still from the movie Strange Invaders (1983)?
The US government has the human race inslaved and in denial, and they are terrifyed that once disclosure happens they will lose all power and the US will be land of the free the way it is suspoes to be. Also science and history is all a sham. Our eyes will be opened soon and we will no longer be slaves, in this dimention or any of the others. We are all in a state of sleep and unknowing whats really going on. Give me proof i am wrong.
I think the burden of proof is on you in this case.
I think it’s you who needs to prove that Zeta Reticuli is NOT inhabited by aliens. Do you have any proof whatsoever? Any pictures or videos, showing that it is not inhabited? If you don’t have proof, YOUR “scientific proof” is just as insignificant as those who believe that the grey’s come from this star system. I always find it funny how we are supposed to just accept your opinion as “proof”, when you have none, but all those who say that aliens MAY BE from this star system are “nuts”. Such an arrogant, shallow argument on the part of the scientific skeptic. Again, provide proof, or your argument is just the same as the believers……
Dear John, I am afraid that you have misunderstood how it works. If you want me to accept that there is any life in the ZR system you have to show me compelling evidence. If you are so very certain there is life there you must have this proof, don’t you?
Whilst I am non committed either way regards to intelligent alien life, I do find one scientific aspect of the possibility intriguing. Why does the scientific community insist that intelligent to survive it MUST live on a planet within the “Goldilock” zone? How many times have scientists been wrong on where life can surivive?, it has only been recently that where life exists on earth had to be increased as we had been told no life could exist in these areas and now they introduce the “extremophiles”. Why limit the possibilities?…… just a thought
I write as the nuclear physicist who was first to publish about Marjorie Fish’s star map work, in SAGA Magazine in the early 1970s, and instigated the 1974 Astronomy Magazine article **The Zeta Reticuli Incident** by then editor Terence Dickinson, and co-authored the 318 page, 2007 book ,**Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience** with Kathleen Marden, Betty’s niece,There is a chapter on the star map. I would like to correct some of the false claims by commenters.
1. The aliens did not tell Betty or Barney where they were from. Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli were deduced on the basis of more than 20 3D models built by Ms. Fish, as the base stars in the map drawn by Betty under post hypnotic suggestion from Dr. Ben Simon, one of the world’s top experts on PTSD. Her accuracy was attested to by Dr.Walter Mitchell, the long time Chairman of the Ohio State University Astronomy department, in my Movie **UFOs Are Real** which also has interviews with Marjorie, and Betty. 2.I spoke with Marjorie;s close relatives and she did not renounce the connection.3. Bob Lazar came forward much later, in 1989,, and made a number of false claims about his education and element 115 as I have noted in **Fraudulent Ufology**.I have not been able to find earlier comments about Reticulans before my article.4. Having worked on both fission and fusion propulsion systems, I would suggest the chapter **You Can Get Here from There** in my book *Flying Saucers and Science**.One would not accelerate half way and then decelerate any more than a 747 does. One gets to cruise velocty and then slows down when near the target. and makes use of cosmic freeloading. A fusion rocket can exhaust charged particles with 10 million times as much energy as in a chemical rocket.The Phoebus fission rocket engine built by Los Alamos was operated more than 40 years ago at a power level of 4400 megawatts though less than 8′ in diameter.Tecnological progress comes from doing things differently. The ISS circles the earth in 90 minutes. Magellan’s ship took 3 years.
It should also be noted that ZR1 and ZR2 are the closest to each other pair of sun-like stars in our neighborhood and that they and the other pattern stars are all in a plane like pepperoni on a pizza rather than like raisins in a loaf of raisin bread. It would appear that the ages of the stars are in questioon. Certainly even a mere 2 billion years should have been enough to get technology started.
Stanton T. Friedman
Dr. Friedman, did you ever work with a scientist named Bernie Weinstein at Los Alamos?
Thank God for Stan Friedman! I love your work, sir (just finished “Crash at Corona” – I’m sold an ET disk did crash, and was covered up by the military). Even if the MJ-12 docs are fake, I agree they were put together by someone well in the know, perhaps as disinfo, perhaps as partial Disclosure; regardless, your research, analysis and writings have given a true scientific, professional and serious (Sirius?) view towards the ET reality, so thank you for your common sense. Reading some of these posts, we clearly need more efforts like yours.
Warren
I have had good fortune of seeing a space craft in a low valley and I was on a hill. Bright day light. I was close enough to see strucal detail. The vehicle is not built like an sturdy aircraft. They travel in a magnetic envelope and they also have the ability to disappear and reappear at a great distance instantly. This ship was friendly. It was approxamately 300 feet across. To the disbelievers, I did not have the ability or the inclination to saw off a 4 foot piece to show you.
Basic info. nothing more. What evidence suggests anything about life in this star system? Do you research or read much? Your use of movies as a reference is pretty sorry. Nothing personal, but I think you are a disinformation guru or a scientific mind trapped in your own universe of arrogance. Gravitywarpdrive.com is interesting and provides some salient info regarding space travel. The human race needs scientists that think about possibilities and look to the future as one of new discoveries where the human race becomes a space faring civilization. The secrecy surrounding our vast “black budget” programs will either lead us into an amazing hopeful future or doom us here on a planet in decline.The future of our survival will depend on people who dare search and learn what is out there and admit what it really means to the rest of us.
Interesting that my note will not be published….and by the way, the required fields were marked. Your have shown me that my impressions are correct.
Dear Mark, comments left on this blog are moderated before publication and only Monday-Friday. I am sorry you are unhappy about the delay.
Yes, you are right. It is the home of the Greys, but there are more than one species of aliens and three live there. The Greys, Grays, and Zeta Reticulum. They are all extremely similar physically, but not mentally or spiritually. The common abductors are actually Zeta Reticulum mistaken as Greys. The Grays do not normally abduct, but the Greys do. The Greys will not return you, but Zeta Reticulum will. The Greys will normally do horrifying things to you while Zeta Reticulum will conduct small painless experiments and return you. In fact, the Greys envy our planet and want it. Fear the Greys. Luckily, we have the Pleiadeans and Procyonians to protect us.
Please share your evidence for these claims.
Just so you know Im not the Caleb way above
Gentlemen,
Sad how science is always so un-imaginative. You humans will never know what bores the ETS find you to be! Do you think they like coming to late great PLanet Earth and having to endure such primitive humanoids preoccupied with wealth, power and mundane emotions? They might find us as pathetic and amusing as….pets or worse…insects…if they have the technology to get this far. Some of us can imagine the omnisicence and omnipotence of God and hope it is universal……irrespective of the limitations of science which will probably NEVER discover the TRUTH. Just being able to think about such a thing is the key to KNOWLEDGE.
ANCIENT ALIENS SERIES has shown clear proof of ET involvement in the history of planet earth; so many archaological ruins could not have been built without advanced technology not available to the alledged primitive people of the time. The Sumerians, the Egyptians…the ruins of Bolivia clearly show machining and technology….there was interaction….
The Kasten book about Planet Serpo clearly states the aliens migrated to Zeta Reticula star system; it was not their native planet. And the army originally stated a flying saucer crashed at Roswell in 1947 and there were alien bodies….most dead and one maybe alive and they were moved to Wright Paterson AFB. Harry Truman created a new defense branch, a secret one, just to deal with these et problems. UFOs were clearly seen buzzing the US Capitol in 1952….by thousands! The real hoax is the coverup by the US government for reasons which are not clear. It might be the wish of the aliens….like anonymous donors….
It is extremely highly likely there is intelligent life in the universe besides what is on planet earth. Even if evolution is true (and evolution is just a local random phenomenon if at all) there was plenty of time even on this planet and other parts of the universe for intelligent life to evolve. Planet earth has supported living things over 3 billion years…..amazing how it all survived when one considers the 100 mile crater on Mars which probably wiped out its atmosphere long ago.
You scientists will never know; the power which sustains the Universe is not mechanical or deterministic; there are no machines or gears grinding; no engines pumping or burning; a vast ethereal presence instead…..probably God…whose form we confuse with our own….who has tried to guide us….to a compassionate forgiving and pleasurable way of life instead of the mundane and boring science which is a
huge disappointment….
Mr. Admin……you sound like Chairman Mao? Most scientists sound like communists or something…..there is Free Will and it is a fact of nature….and Quantum Mechanics and theories of Consciousness seem to indicate we are much more a part of reality and not mere observers…….Prayer hardwired us to God long before cellphones
and wireless technology……Hard to believe the quality of life has been much improoved when one considers 90% of americans are making less income than they did in 2010…hard facts? Your science and technology is not much public benefit unless you are a very rich man…and who is the richest man? Flat screen tv? When you look at the world have you ever seen it looking so flat? We see much better and farther and quite differently…..
…….so we continue to eat from The Tree of KNowledge and still die a mortal death…..you better hope there are some smarter aliens out there…..and hope they might have some pity on us…..all that science and technology has made most of us….poorer, yes?
not deceived by Satan
Like Joseph g said above, you want proof watch “anchiant aliens” series. Its clear that advanced technology was used thousands of years ago. Also all civilizations say the same things, from South America, Asia and the Egyptians.
Something come down to earth, were they Alians? Yes. Were they from another star system? Who knows. Were they from “Heaven”? I believe so.
One things clear to me, it supports stronger evidence then the theory of evolution.
Thanks for the article admin.
Thanks for your comment. May I ask you three questions? (I’m interested in answers from anyone.)
Are you really sure that the creators of Ancient Aliens are truthful?
If you think Ancient Aliens is factually true, why do you believe this? What convinced you?
If you think the Ancient Aliens programme is factually true, why do you think astronomers, historians and archeologists believe it to be nonsense?
ancient aliens is just speculation by self-proclaimed experts of events in history that simply have yet to be explained. it is nothing to bring up in this discussion. however, if you look up out of place artifacts found around the world of strange unknown objects encased in rock that formed millions of years ago one can definitely draw some interesting conclusions of their own. i certainly have mine. if aliens did happen upon our solar system in my opinion they would most certainly have came to earth because the one thing unique about earth in this solar system is the existence of metals in their monatomic forms. these monatomic elements are supercunductors and i believe they play a huge role in interstellar space travel as well as many many other things. i enjoyed the article and all of your feedback and hope you read this and check some things i mentioned
I watch ancient aliens a lot on history. Some of the episodes are interesting and make you think, “there might just be aliens out there,” but some episodes are just stupid… For example aliens and Bigfoot, aliens and the U.S. presidents, etc…
Ancient Aliens is simply a TV show. I think people watch it because they want to believe it and it is occasionally interesting. The key is to see it for what it is, entertainment not science. I doubt even is creators actually believe it but because people watch it they make money.
I have no problem with this. Capitalism is good for our society and free speech is important. If people choose to believe in Bigfoot, Atlantis and Ancient Aliens so be it. The world is still round!
Hi Frank, thanks for your comments. I’m curious about Ancient Aliens (which I’ve never seen, I’m not sure if it is even shown here) because so many commenters here are so passionate about it. I’m glad you accept that the creators of Ancient Aliens know it is untrue, but then why doesn’t it disturb you that it is presented as a factually true documentary series?
There are words to describe people who make up and spread falsehoods and they are not flattering.
I see the show as entertainment.
One of my favorite shows produced in Great Britain is I, Claudius. The show took a great many liberties with historical fact but that’s TV and it made the storyline more interesting. I do understand your point though since so many people believe everything they see on the television.
I also enjoyed Cosmos (Sagan & Tyson versions) and the Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman (not a scientist). Both of these shows also explored (in my opinion) some theories that are unproven at present.
My greatest fear is that the “though police” take over and only allow their account of the truth be told.
Hi Frank, comparing Ancient Aliens and I, Claudius isn’t really valid as I, Claudius is not a documentary but fiction inspired by fact, at no stage was it claimed to be a historically accurate reconstruction.
I really see a difference between a documentary script that includes informed speculation about things that are uncertain and a documentary script that includes stuff that the writers know is untrue.
Like you I have no desire to see the media censored, I am simply appalled by the deliberately false information broadcast in some shows and horrified by how uncritically it is accepted by some viewers.
I understand. I basically agree with you. Ancient Aliens is not bad science it’s just plain and simple fiction with a touch of science thrown in to make it more credible.
I go back to the Fermi Paradox. If there really were a bunch of “Ancient Aliens” out there they would have colonized the earth long ago before people ever evolved.
Of course a great many of the “Ancient Aliens” believers say they did and messed with monkey DNA to make us!
It never ceases to amaze me what people are capable of believing!
Re: Stanton Friedman’s comments (April 26, 2014)
1. The aliens did not tell Betty or Barney where they were from.
This is true which includes Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli
The star map that she drew was said to be unusually accurate as drawn, which means that her Base Star manuever to merge them altered the map. Remove the lines and there is little resemblance to Betty Hills Star map. She also said they were single stars-which they are not.
2. I was the one who found her obituary three months after she died, and her family didn’t change the statement that she had renounced her ZR Interpretation
Part 2: Stanton Friedman comments
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Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience** with Kathleen Marden, Bettys niece,There is a chapter on the star map.
But the problem is that there was nothing new in their book….
i published an article in the MUFON Journal dated August 2009 advising the UFO community that 2 of the 3 stars of her triangle were invalid because new astronomical data places them outside of the boundary of her working model which they called “Psyche.” This becomes a very big problem… because her triangle has never existed, and the double whammy is the fact that Betty Hill had said that the triangle was very prominent. To this day this glaring problem has not been explained by Mr. Friedman.
No triangle-no theory. The third killer is the position of Star #10-which is supposed to be directly to the right of the triangle.
That my friends should tell you that the Fish’s ZR theory is washed up….
His final statement: “Certainly even a mere 2 billion years should have been enough to get technology started. ”
Sorry Stanton: You’re wrong…bad science
Life: Yes-but not old enough to count to 8 on their fingers at this stage of development. Assuming that one day they crawl out of the ocean on their flippers and evolve another 2 billion years.
Steve Pearse
Author: Set Your Phaser to Stun
Colin,
i developed the Hill-Wilson Star map as a result of researching and studying an ancedotal story which is posted on my web site. The triangle was discovered below the Big Dipper, and the top of the triangle is 6 Cvn, with HR4668 and HR4783. The star directly to the right of the triangle is 61 Ursae Major, with 52 Ursae above and to the right. My theory has identified the hub star as 20 Leo Minor (6.5 Billion year) old spectral G3Va. We Earthling’s are in orbit around the lower of the two large nickel sized stars, making us the prime spot to view the star map. (Vantage point and viewing angle) as opposed to Fish’s silly ” slice of space.” If you look at the star map you can see very heavy banding between them (their star and Sol.)
The star map is actually fairly accurate as drawn. You’ll find complete details on my website.
Steve Pearse
FYI: 20 Leo Minor is on Turnbills 2003 Sun Life List.
10/26/2014
In reference to Stanton Friedman’s entry and discussion about the formulation of Fish’s theory, i have some very important statements made by Fish’s team.
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1974 Astronomy Magazine article **The Zeta Reticuli Incident** by then editor Terence Dickinson.
Terence Dickinson once said that “Stars cannot be moved around to optimize the desired resemblance.” Unfortunately that advice seems to have been ignored, as Fish alters the star map by drastically cutting down the gap between them to make it appear as if it could be Zeta Reticuli. This sounds like he was lukewarm to her theory….
The two large nickel sized stars are the central feature of the star map, they stand out, and you can immediately sense that the leader being was trying to show Betty something very important, and that he wanted her to understand. The dimensions of the star map was said to be three feet by two (36x 24) and using these given dimensions, gives us the estimated spatial distance between the two large nickel sized stars as drawn of at least six to eight inches. They not in close proximity to one another. Marjorie Fish made the same mistake as Betty Hill did by calling them base stars, but Fish took this one step further by altering the spatial distance between them in order to claim that this was their home world and the start point in her Zeta Reticuli Interpretion. Jeffrey Kretsch called her alteration a incongruity.
I was able to briefly speak to Mr. Kretsch several months ago, after advising him that Marjorie Fish had past away, and he told me that he never met her, which was very surprising.
Steve Pearse
Dear Steve, thanks for your comment, but see my article The Truth about Betty Hills UFO Star Map . Honestly the Hill map can’t be regarded as evidence for anything!
Betty was interviewed in 1999. She said they were not grays, in fact she thought that they were Air Force people at first. Everything “debunked” was never claimed by anyone other than skeptics.
Dear Colin, thanks for your comment, but i liked Seth Shostaks comments at SETI better!
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Honestly the Hill map cant be regarded as evidence for anything!
Here’s an Astronomer’s opinion you might want to read.
Chapter 3 (page 33) of Fullers book the starts off on October 19, 1961, a month after the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill. Walter Webb (Astronomer) and lecturer on the staff of the Hayden Planetarium in Boston opened his mail to read a letter from Richard Hall, who was then the secretary and now Assistant Director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon in Washington. As a Scientific Advisor to NICAP, Walter Webb occasionally investigated the more serious and puzzling UFO reports in the New England area, drafting detailed document for Washington when the merits of the case warranted it. Halls letter included a copy of a letter that Betty Hill had written to Major Keyhoe and suggested to Webb that it might be worthwhile to drive the eighty miles north of Boston to their residence in Portsmouth to investigate the case. Webb, who had joined the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Massachusetts, shortly after his graduation from college in 1956, had been interested in Unidentified Flying Objects since 1951, when as a counselor at a boys camp in Michigan, he had made a sighting while training campers in the use of a telescope. So now we have an astronomer who has personally seen a UFO.
Page 34: Webbs first reaction to Richard Halls letter was reluctance. It was plain that this case involved a report of the movement of beings on the craft, and Webb was skeptical of this type of sighting. He drove up to Portsmouth on October 21, 1961, with his skeptical attitude unchanged. In his mind were thoughts of the sensational nature of the claim, the possibility that the Hills might be seeking publicity, perpetrating a hoax, or suffering from a mental aberration.
On the other hand he felt that Bettys letter was extremely literate, an honest and straightforward account of a frightening experience which had happened to two people. He would reserve judgment until after his interview, which, he resolved, would be thorough and painstaking with special attention to finding flaws in the story. As an interviewer with a scientific background, he was certain he could create a slip-up if the Hills story was spurious, and he would not hesitate to crack the story if he could. He arrived at the Hills house at about noon.
Page 35: The interview began shortly after noon, and continued with little interruption until eight that evening. I was so amazed, impressed by both the Hills and their account, Walter Webb said, that we skipped lunch and went through the afternoon and early evening. During that time, I cross-examined them together, separately, together, re-questioned them again and again. I tried to make them slip up somewhere, and I couldnt; I simply couldnt.*
Theirs was an iron-clad story. They seemed to me to be sincere, honest couple driving home from vacation, late at night on a lonely road, when suddenly something unknown and un-definable descended on them. Something entirely foreign or alien to their existence.
I talk to Walter Webb 6 months ago…and nothing has changed.
My last thought: it’s very strange that J. Allen Hynek would switch sides and become a UFO believer, or that Clyde Tombaugh would report seeing UFOs.
My opinion: We’re not special as Carl Sagan said, and we are not alone-Just like the French and Chinese have said.
Hi Steve, Thanks for your comments. I hoped I was clear that I think the Hills were honest folk who sincerely believed that they experienced something extraordinary. However Betty’s drawing is not proof of extraterrestrial contact.
As far as I understand it, Hynek went from sceptic to believer in alien spaceships, but then started to change to a third position (based on lack of ‘nuts and bolts’ evidence) that UFOs were actually some kind of intangible psychic phenomenon. I was disappointed by this when I read his books back in the day as I was more interested in alien spaceships! Does it not say something that Hynek believed eye witness reports but doubted UFOs were physically real vehicles?
Did Clyde Tombaugh report sightings of UFOs or alien spacecraft? It’s an important distinction!
You will have to explain your comment about the “French and Chinese”. Were you referring to GEIPAN?
hi I like your actual facst here By the way The calcifications removed from my human body don’t come from this planet’s oceans fresh water lakes or stream any reason I should believe in evolution of humans Here? for My Dna/RNA is ancient includes three genomes not found in any other human not even my daughter whom also has all ancient human genomes funny wha’ts comming from the black hole at the center of the galaxy that will be here soon is that perhaps by fate or luck we survive for there aren’t any more missles in the silos they launched hit their targets and worked so if ET is real he is you and me and the rest of the people here for even human beings have a human body and are human. and not terrestrial in nature we all were put here or came here. my ancestors the native Americans and Vikings cam here volunteers really lol myths debunked again thanks so much never believed any of that ET stuff anyway
however the states does have stuff that makes star wars and star trek look like toys by comparison oh it was all stolen back in 72 and then again in 94 religious military officers thinking governments are some kind of beast. really nature is nature that nasty beast at the center of our galaxy is that so is our GOD the Creation of he Universe he’s my beast of burden though His burdens are all the living here supposedly. oh well Better to not think to big with this law or that that be a socialized law religiously speaking of course, and not scientific lol why I leave some of those ancient texts alone. nice job well done and proper . Thinking better is what I am really about. really take care good job here and real honest no planets there nothing at wolf 359 ether right? or perhaps there is something there who cares really after the cold war when that wave form the center is here reacting with all the neutrino generators here in Russia well quasar galaxies and neutrino galaxies mate and cannibalize each other in the process. progress has wiped us out again. too much the don quiote lol
The acronym “LV” perhaps points to a biblical reference. In Leviticus chapter 4, verse 26 (LV 4:26) we can read a verse about a burnt offering as a means for atonement for corrupt leadership, which would suit the major theme in the Alien Saga.
Leviticus 4:26
Then he must burn all the goat’s fat on the altar, just as he does with the peace offering. Through this process, the priest will purify the leader from his sin, making him right with the LORD, and he will be forgiven.
For the Prometheus reference (LV-223) that would be:
Leviticus 22:3
“Say to them: ‘For the generations to come, if any of your descendants is ceremonially unclean and yet comes near the sacred offerings that the Israelites consecrate to the LORD, that person must be cut off from my presence. I am the LORD.
WATCH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94wR0NfewE
Yeah Science and Religion are Two Different things
I guess NASA has gained very much success in keeping Aliens Secrets !! All facts and figures hidden from the minds of public… Which we as public won’t ever be able to get any proof of Aliens …even they come and keep taking away humans and testing them.. Cause not just NASA but Manyyy Secret Agencies are Dying to Hide it All with its Roots … Their Agents are Everywhere !!
Ok… Now that we have found many things that HUMANS have MESSED UP ON when it comes to knowledge of space… Where, we are selves, are saying… “This is scientifically Impossible!!!” Get a LIFE for all the stuff you say… OH I KNOW EVERYTHING stuff!! We are NOW finding out WE DON’T KNOW MUCH in the Cosmic Scheme of things. If you still have your ignorant closed minded “I know everything” gibberish… Get your Head Examined!! The Possibility that Betty and Barney Hill could sketch such detail in a stellar area during that time reading what they could find in books is simple trash! It was just a simple 2 suns Betty drew it was more complex. As for your trash about… “The entire system could not support life” Nonsense!! we are finding THOUSANDS of planets supporting life, now with Hubble… You idiot’s with fancy degrees have such big heads and ROCK HEAD ways… You have been FAR SURPASSED to things we are just now finding out with Hubble… Aren’t you the mindless pre-historic cave men!!!
(Edited for language-ADMIN)
Dear Joel, thank you for your comments. I suspect that you do not know the story of Betty Hill’s star map as fully as you think. Why don’t you read our article The Truth about Betty Hills UFO Star Map (link)?
Colin did your ever have a conversation with Stanton Friedman about the revised age of Zeta Reticuli to 1.5-2.00 billion years, and if so what was his response?
Dear Steve, my sole interaction with Stanton Friedman was approving a comment he left on this blog.
By the way i liked Dr. J’s comments
errr the universe is teeming with life.
The age of a particular star system, says nothing about the level of advancement of its inhabitants, as they may not have originated there.
Most of the inhabitants of the USA did not originate from North America. The author has made a lot of assumptions about inter-stellar mobility.
Dear Mike, thanks for your comment. Yes, you have a point, it is indeed not impossible that if there is life in this system it could have been transported there. However there is still zero evidence that there is life there!
Admin you do have abig point in lots of your comments but you could be a minion for nasa or even higher you either have alot of time on your hands or paid to out smart people about life else where …… sorry i like thinking outside the box … i have enjoyed this post and i dont want a debate just like making people think who is behind that keyboard
Dear Dennis, thank for your comments, which I must, however, sharply take issue with.
I am a professional astronomy educator so I am happy that you seem to be acknowledging that my article and responses in the comments section are factually accurate. Yet why do you then raise the possibility that I am advancing someone else’s agenda?
I make no secret that I am employed by Armagh Planetarium (link), you can read about me at this page (link).
perhaps in support of Mr.and Mrs Hill
the alien they claimed to have been abducted by said that was his home planet meaning it used to be ? is the argument here -these p[planets are non inhabitable ?
Dear Howard, the biggest problem is that the whole linkage of Zeta Reticuli to the Hill’s story is really dubious. See the article The Truth about Betty Hills UFO Star Map (link).
The whole notion that Zeta Reiculi had not been discovered before Betty Hill’s map is from the made-for-TV movie.
Here’s an actual and detailed account from NICAP of Marjorie Fish’s actual scientific process and the work of others to confirm or deny it. At least, her analysis was extensive. Even many of those who did further analysis of the map largely concluded that the “home base” might have been more distant than Zeta, but on that same trajectory from Earth.
http://www.nicap.org/articles/hillzeta.htm
The real mystery here is how a woman with zero astronomical knowledge could have drawn a map from memory under hypnosis that has been scientifically correlated to an actual star system in our cosmic neighborhood or at least lays out the path toward another star system in a way that correlates with real systems like Zeta.
To,say Marjorie Fish’s work has been overturned is a stretch except in the minds of skeptics already disinclined to believe.
Dear Ray, thank you for your comment but while I respect Ms Fish’s efforts, subsequent astronomical research has invalidated her conclusions (which she reportedly conceded). Please see The Truth about Betty Hills UFO Star Map (link) or Goodbye, Zeta Reticuli (link)
Great stuff on here very interesting but I dint believe Betty and barney hill had any extraordinary experience at all but simply put a great story together after watching too many t.v shows like the u explained etc